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$4.7 million grant goes to City of Libby for Flower Creek Dam replacement

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Posted: Thursday, July 3, 2014 1:19 pm | Updated: 10:16 am, Mon Jul 7, 2014.

The City of Libby will receive nearly $4.7 million in federal assistance to finally replace the Flower Creek Dam.

The grant, approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture Rural Development (USDA-RD) and announced by senators Jon Tester and John Walsh this week, will be in addition to a $3.7 million loan to the project that was also announced on Tuesday.

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          21 comments:

          • posted at 6:01 am on Tue, Jul 15, 2014.

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            This is not an emergency "stand-by" issue, MR. It is damages caused by the engineers incompetence. Perhaps if you listened instead of thinking up insults to throw at the people who want Noble to get paid, you would understand that we agree on that point. Do I have to draw a cartoon with crayons for you to understand?

            Have a 10 year old read the posts to you. Pay attention to lines like, "Noble has sufffered a loss and needs to be compensated", "the engineer has insurance for that", and "the City should not have to pay Noble for a mistake the engineer made". Does "Noble wants $117,000 for not being on the job because the engineer didn't get the permits" ring a bell in your little head? How about "any delays were caused by Morrison/Mairerle" Is it sinking in yet?
            The City has no financial liability in Nobles' damages, MMI DOES. The Mayor tried to lie and say it was the States fault in an effort to protect his parts suppliers son, but it was another in a long line of BIG, FAT DOUG ROLL LIES. And you are supporting the lie.
            That is how this Project is going to cost millions more than if we had an honest and intelligent engineer. Mayor Roll and the engineer must disclose their financial ties exposed in the Olsen email. I'm embarrassed for you.

             
          • montanaraised posted at 9:56 pm on Mon, Jul 14, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Nothing to gain. Human nature is pretty fickle. If any of you guys were a contractor in this situation, you would all be screaming for the same "standby money." Wouldn't be too many private contractors saving houses and timber if it wasn't for the good ol "standby" language. Not that I don't think it's a waste of taxpayer dollars, just reality now.

             
          • tuffenuff posted at 9:29 pm on Sun, Jul 13, 2014.

            tuffenuff Posts: 102

            No one is really that clueless, Maverick. MR has something to gain by supporting the lies that cost us so much money.

             
          • DC Orr posted at 7:15 pm on Sun, Jul 13, 2014.

            DC Orr Posts: 215

            MR, you should be thanking Orr for patiently trying to educate you instead of insulting him. He obviously knows way more than you and you just show your ignorance when you open your mouth. Why do you support wasting public money? The City should not have to pay Noble for a mistake the engineer made. The engineer has insurance for that.

             
          • montanaraised posted at 6:32 pm on Sun, Jul 13, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Eggroll...looks like even the computer gods got tired of your ranting and cut off your last rant.

             
          • posted at 6:19 am on Sun, Jul 13, 2014.

            Posts:

            It's counterproductive when you get abusive because your reading comprehension disability leads you to assume things that are not facts, MR. I'll try to make this simple enough even for you to understand.

            Noble has suffered a loss and deserves to be compensated.

            Here is the cast of characters. The City of Libby is the Project Owner. MMI is the Prime Contractor. Noble is a sub-contractor. The State and Federal agencies are either funding agents or regulatory agents.

            Noble suffered a loss when the City did not have the proper regulatory permits to proceed with the Project...AGAIN. (Remember the whole Montanore fish mitigation blamed on USFWS delay? That was another Mayor Roll lie.) MMI has contractual responsibility for the permitting of the Project. Where this got confusing is when Mayor Roll was quoted in the June 3 Kootenai Valley Record for stating at the May 27 Council meeting that "DEQ said they're sorry but they made a mistake on their permitting". Mayor Rolls' habit of lying to the people he serves is causing this problem..AGAIN.

            The State DEQ has gone on record in my emails proving they have no financial liability for Nobles unitemized loss. They never said, "OOPS, we're sorry". Mayor Roll lied. The big question is this, who becomes responsible for the damages which Noble suffered?

            MMI is contractually responsible for getting the proper permits. MMI, not the City of Libby or DEQ, should pay Noble for the damages caused by the delay. Why is Mayor Roll trying to force the City Council to pay for a problem caused by MMI?

            To answer that question you have to look at the Olsen discovery materials. The email where Mayor Roll created the cloud over Allen Olsens' (his opponent in the Mayoral race) head on the fabricated residency issue in particular. When Mayor Roll called Allen a "fool" and his residence a "sham" he sent that email to a bunch of folks that he thought should be aware of an issue he was trying to create that might affect City business. The usual suspects, Council and City Attorney, maybe City Administrator Hammons. But there was one recipient of that email that stood out of the crowd. Why did Mayor Roll send that abusive email to Curt Jones, proprietor of Johnnies Auto Parts?

            That move raises a whole bunch of questions that must be answered before another nickle is spent on the Dam Scam, MR. Why hasn't Mayor Roll. a Mayor who repaid money he stole from the taxpayers in the truck repair scandal, disclosed his financial dealings with the recipient of the Olsen email? How much discount does DP Auto Repair enjoy on parts they buy from Johnnies Auto Parts? Has Ryan Jones disclosed his financial interests in Johnnies Auto Parts and his relationship to his father, Curt Jones? How much money does the City of Libby spend at Johnnies Auto Parts every month? Is there a discount, or does the City pay more than the average?

            Why did Mayor Roll include Curt Jones in his email attempting to place a cloud over Olsens' residency? Because Olsen is a contractor who underst

             
          • montanaraised posted at 10:15 pm on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Good grief, eggroll you are so transparent. If you have a liking for the contractor in question you would be arguing the contractor shouldn't have to suffer a loss just because the engineer screwed up. I could explain it to you even better but unfortunately I am not a jackass whisperer.

             
          • posted at 5:33 am on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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            permits. The Mayor has told so many lies about the "shutdown" that we are still trying to sort out his lies. Do you think the people of Libby should pay for a contractor who wasn't on the job?

             
          • posted at 5:29 am on Sat, Jul 12, 2014.

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            You're not even trying to be rational MR. There are definitely costs associated with mobilization and demobilization and they are spelled out in the contract. Noble wants $117,000 for not being on the job because the engineer didn't get the

             
          • montanaraised posted at 10:05 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Egg roll...of course YOU have never demanded payment when your machinery was sitting idle on a job? T
            Honk about that real hard before you try to blow smoke up all your followers backside. How much equipment and man hours are we talking about with the noble request. Wasn't your rate for machinery based on you having to move your machine from, say, Happys inn to libby and then back out to Happys. Didn't all your pigeons pay for your equipment sitting idle or being moved based on your hourly rate for the machine and man? At least that is how the contractor explained it to me when your machinery would appear for a day and disappear for two or three days and then back again. Or did you just eat the costs and the downtime moving your machine from job to job?

             
          • montanafan posted at 9:44 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

            montanafan Posts: 75

            The dam has to be replaced but how is this loan paid back?I am not up on how to do this except by taxes.Any other way out?I am serious

             
          • DC Orr posted at 7:27 pm on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

            DC Orr Posts: 215

            MR didn't want to actually debate using facts and stuff, she just wants to support the status quo waste of money that enriches the mayors' drinking buddies. Don't confuse her with logic.

             
          • posted at 7:00 am on Fri, Jul 11, 2014.

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            MR, the greatest overrun on Libby/Troy was caused by the State engineering departments failure to estimate quantities of material to be moved. They missed the mark by a huge amount. The rocks on the tracks were probably an issue for the insurance company.
            I see you have avoided the issue as it pertains to the reality of the Dam Scam. Noble wants $117,000 for doing nothing, for moving to another job. The Mayor has lied repeatedly about the "shutdown". For one thing, the States response specifically states that there was no shutdown. For another, they prove the Mayor a liar when he said that the State admitted that the shutdown was their mistake. Any delays were caused by Morrison/Mairerle, why would anyone else pay for their incompetence?
            BTB, I have sent the email responses to the Mayor and City Council so they will have that information when Nobles' bill comes up for approval. It is public information, you can request it from the City.

             
          • billthebutcher posted at 9:34 am on Thu, Jul 10, 2014.

            billthebutcher Posts: 240

            So, X8, why don't you share your email and the states response? All you say is you emailed them and their response showed he lied. Well, come on, don't keep us in suspense.

            I share your opinion of the engineer and also wonder why they continue to be used. Very suspicious I admit.

             
          • montanaraised posted at 7:15 am on Wed, Jul 9, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Blowing rocks across the railroad track and then having to pay BN for stoppage is an engineer's fault??????

             
          • tracker posted at 12:10 pm on Tue, Jul 8, 2014.

            tracker Posts: 179

            Let's not forget to spread the blame to to the council. Time and time again the city council has had the chance to speak up for the people that voted for them and those of us that pay water bills. Instead they seem to drink their lunch and vote at special meetings to screw the paying customers in order to fund a pee poor engineer and a drinking buddy of the Mayor. It's Libby Leaderships Drunkanomics at it's best. As I said even when the 20% overage(2.2 million dollars) on the entire project is paid by us to these contractors. The city brain trust will find another way to funnel the extra grant money plus some to their friends and family of engineers and contractors. Also remember the dam project does not include the estimated 15 million dollars to replace the rest of the 40 year old water distribution lines. Failing to think ahead, wasting tax payers, and water rate payers money is a trade mark of the drunks at city hall. One might think project figures would be sobering enough for the city leadership. I guess not

             
          • posted at 6:56 am on Tue, Jul 8, 2014.

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            Libby/Troy went over budget because the engineers didn't do their jobs, MR. That is exactly what is happening on the Dam Scam. Are you saying that is OK?
            Noble is asking for $117,000 for sitting idle while the engineers get the permits finishedthat they messed up last year. The City shouldn't have to pay Noble to sit idle, that is a cost overrun that is fully the fault of the engineer.
            Now. maybe you believed the Mayor when he said the State had accepted responsibility for this latest permitting snafu, but some people actually get involved rather than armchair quarterback the way you do. I emailed the State and received a response that shows the Mayor was not being truthful...again. The Mayor doesn't want to admit that the engineer is messing up this Project in a manner that will cost millions more than necessary. Why do you support that type of waste? And why do you turn a blind eye to the Mayors' preferential treatement of an incompetent engineer?

             
          • autocatt posted at 11:40 am on Mon, Jul 7, 2014.

            autocatt Posts: 82

            Accountability of all the money must be top priority..............

             
          • montanaraised posted at 10:13 pm on Sun, Jul 6, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Lots of large scale construction come in over budget. Look at the highway project a few years back between Libby/Troy. Way over budget. The current project at Swamp creek will also come in over budget. Sometimes there are unforeseen obstacles or costs that run costs up. It isn't necessarily because government officials are incompetent or corrupt, it is just reality. I do agree that there ARE corrupt people in leadership positions. Just look at what is going on over in Browning. It does happen but it is usually because people turn out to be greedy thieves.

             
          • tracker posted at 11:17 pm on Sat, Jul 5, 2014.

            tracker Posts: 179

            The city will just find away to spend another five million on the project. Then we can all say I sure am glad we got that 4.7 million dollar grant. That is Libby city leadership drunk-anomics at its best. Thats not being negative that's just how things are here.

             
          • montanaraised posted at 9:40 pm on Thu, Jul 3, 2014.

            montanaraised Posts: 734

            Finally!!! Some good news for Libby tho I'm sure this will also be portrayed by a minority of people in a negative light.

             

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